Pinarello Dogma F - Actual Weight and Initial Impressions

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We recently received a Dogma F launch bike and we decided to take it all apart to inspect each component a little more in-depth. Pinarello has really pushed the "marginal gains" concept on this bike and we really wanted to know exactly what each component weighed, including the 3D printed titanium seatpost clamp system. 

Firstly though, the Dogma F frameset might look similar to the outgoing F12 in pictures, but now having seen it in real life, it is distinctively different. The new tube profiles is actually the first thing we noticed. Tube shapes seems further refined to improve performance. The new dropped seat-stay shape is probably the most obvious difference and if symmetry pleases you, this will too. Visually balanced and purposeful.

The other known change with the downtube (from last month's spyshots) is less noticeable but still important. It makes the already beefy downtube even thicker, adding to the visual impact. The Di2 junction box port at the start of the downtube is now gone. Surely this was in anticipation of the new Shimano 12-speed semi-wireless groupset, but it also cleans up the frame considerably, adding to the more polished design. 

The 56cm frame on our scale weighs 996g. This includes the hanger and bottle cage bolts.

Moving onto the fork, the most noticeable design difference is the aero flap near the drop out. This, plus other profile changes inspired by the Pinarello Bolide TT bike has contributed to the total 4.8% increased aero efficiency.

The fork weighs 424g (uncut), including the fork compressor and the single headset crown race. To reiterate, the fork is uncut and quite long. We anticipate without the compressor + cut to length steerer, the fork will dip below 400g quite easily.

The thru axles employed weighs 29g for the front and 66g for the rear. The rear has a lever which allows for quick release or tightening.

Moving onto the Most "Ultra Fast" Talon, let's just first appreciate the name this handlebar has being graced with. If that isn't the coolest name that you can call a set of handlebars, we don't know what is. The handlebar is only slightly different to the Most Ultra Talon's that featured on the F12, but perhaps it's a riff on the old adage, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it (just make it slightly lighter)". Some articles floating online have been stating that the handlebar has changed to a 1.5" steerer, this is untrue, and the stem still mounts to a standard 1-1/8" steerer.

As a result of this (and the unchanged cabling path), both handlebars are backwards/forwards compatible and will work with both the F12 and the F. The finish has changed from the 1k weave on the Ultra Talon to a Matte UD finish on the Ultra Fast Talon. The weight has only dropped slightly, when compared to a similar size Ultra Talon. Our 46/120mm Ultra Fast Talon comes in at 364g with grommets included.

The new 3D printed titanium hardware is a much welcomed change to the dated seatpost hardware as seen on the F12 (and trickle down models). As well as dropping weight, it also brings the seatpost's design in-line with what you would expect of a $10k+ frameset. The finish is typical of 3D printed titanium and isn't as polished as CNC aluminium, but fairly distinctive in it's own right with design that only 3D printing could produce. The seatpost hardware comes in at 60g.

This leaves the seatpost weighing in at 132g uncut. This means the seatpost now as a total system comes in at a combined 192g. Fairly reasonable.

The last part of the puzzle is the headset system. We weighed the cups and the cable guide + bearing cover at 73g. This does not include the crown race which was previously weighed along with the fork as well as the fork compressor.

What is our overall impressions on the Dogma F? Well, Pinarello has tackled this revision in two ways. In one way, the Dogma F feels like a tuned F12, with all the incremental hardware changes and revisions to bring down the system weight. In another way, the frame has received physical and aesthetic changes in the form of profile and tube shape refinements. The end goal is as Pinarello's tagline states, the "art of balance". The F is a balanced upgrade to a multiple Grand Tour winning bike.

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